Chinese idiom · 成语
与虎谋皮
Meaning
To negotiate with a tiger for its skin; an impossible deal.
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Origin and story
FableA possible source is the Fuzi fable preserved in the Taiping Yulan. In its framing conversation, the ruler of Lu considers asking powerful families whether Confucius should receive authority. Zuo Qiuming warns that they would lose influence under him, then tells of a man who consults foxes about obtaining their skins for a fine coat and sheep about supplying meat for a feast.
The animals flee before he finishes, and he obtains neither coat nor feast. The later idiom replaces the fox with a tiger but keeps the same conflict of interest: one cannot expect willing assistance from someone whose essential interests the plan would destroy.
Sources and further reading
In everyday life
指望售假商家主动交出全部造假证据,简直是与虎谋皮。
Expecting a seller of counterfeit goods to volunteer all the evidence of the fraud is like asking a tiger for its skin.
Not merely any difficult negotiation: the requested cooperation would harm the other party's own interests.